tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5272938885495691863.post7392241935611965003..comments2024-02-12T05:17:12.055-05:00Comments on NORDO News - Aviation Unedited: Something's Missing - Another Installment of Cause and Effect.Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5272938885495691863.post-83574706551465963542011-03-30T09:41:27.097-04:002011-03-30T09:41:27.097-04:00Texas may well be a better place for teh shuttle t...Texas may well be a better place for teh shuttle than Chicago, but that determination should be based on factors other than the actions years ago of a now ex-mayor.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5272938885495691863.post-5195179863310234052011-03-25T16:07:24.399-04:002011-03-25T16:07:24.399-04:00You said: There are many other places, like Texas,...You said: <i>There are many other places, like Texas, that would be a far better fit for the orbiters. In these places they would be on display in appropriate environments surrounded by people who really do want to inspire kids to reach for the stars. Chicago is not such a place.</i><br /><br />In your opinion. Sure, there are children everywhere and they all deserve the same shot at the shuttle -- including those in Chicago. Unless of course they should be excluded for the sins of... just who, exactly? Their parents, for voting for Daly -- if they did? An ex-mayor's sins? The children's for having chosen parents who may or may not have voted for Daly?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5272938885495691863.post-350285439948107092011-03-25T15:07:43.285-04:002011-03-25T15:07:43.285-04:00Response to last comment (not about Young Eagles)....Response to last comment (not about Young Eagles).<br /><br />Let's all be honest for a change and admit that "For the children" is the most over used white lie on the planet. What it really means is "We really want this so we'll tell you anything that will pull on your heart strings to garner your support."<br /><br />As for Chicago getting an orbiter, any city that rides rough shod over its citizens desires is not in the business of inspiring anyone, children included. If you believe otherwise you are extremely gullible. Furthermore, Chicago is not the only place on the planet with children.<br /><br />There are many other places, like Texas, that would be a far better fit for the orbiters. In these places they would be on display in appropriate environments surrounded by people who really do want to inspire kids to reach for the stars. Chicago is not such a place.<br /><br />Finally, you should lighten up. I know they don't care about winning my heart; Syrians' maybe, but not mine.<br /><br />Thanks for you response. It was fun.Rich Davidsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11594451963540379003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5272938885495691863.post-39235097189911871572011-03-25T12:40:06.502-04:002011-03-25T12:40:06.502-04:00Just read your shuttle piece over at ANN.
I thin...Just read your shuttle piece over at ANN. <br /><br />I think the shuttle decision should be based on factors other than how it affects your personal vendetta with a former mayor. Do you really think the school children who visit the planetarium in Chicago are responsible for closing Meigs? And if by some twisted logic you think they are, just how long do you think they should be denied the opportunity to benefit from aviation in any form?<br /><br />As to telling NASA how it could win back your heart, I doubt anyone there is focusing real hard on that. (They're probably too busy stifling innovation to be bothered by some crank.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5272938885495691863.post-63887899425792186902011-03-07T11:29:23.938-05:002011-03-07T11:29:23.938-05:00Okay I see now. I agree that as an EAA member you ...Okay I see now. I agree that as an EAA member you have a legitimate stake in the organization's actions and therefore a right to try and improve their efforts. <br /><br />I disagree, though, that an outsider would have similar standing to criticize their actions if, as you say, they do some good and no harm and their membership is not in revolt over the issue.<br /><br />I guess I just weary of freelance critics who are not responsible or accountable for the things they criticize. Jim Campbell's recent rants about Cirrus are a good example.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5272938885495691863.post-65008074393060674952011-03-07T10:24:07.779-05:002011-03-07T10:24:07.779-05:00Anonymous,
Your first question is easier to answe...Anonymous,<br /><br />Your first question is easier to answer with an example. I will do this by changing the subject from your post. Here it is. See if you can find it. "So what? Unless you are in some way responsible or accountable for the program, why not just let them give their taxes to the government and feel good about it? What business is it of yours?"<br /><br />As a member, it is my business. As a thinking person, it is also my business to ask why someone who is claiming to represent me feels the need to push deceptive figures relating to their effectiveness. And even if I were not a member, I would have to ask the same. Aviation needs help, not "let them feel good about it."<br /><br />If you read my post with a clear non-defensive mind, I say giving rides to kids is a great way to share aviation. My point is that Young Eagles is not an effective enough a program to base 90% of EAA's pilot creation efforts on it.<br /><br />As for what would I do, I have said this many times. But aviators are hooked on the notion that the only way to make pilots is take someone for a ride. Long term solutions based on good data are not what people want. They want, as you say, to feel good. But, look for a post in the future about programs that are effective. I have been collecting examples for a while.<br /><br />And remember, aviation is not made of pilots only. For aviation to exist, there needs to be a general interest in aviation that creates, mechanics, business people, rampers, etc.Rich Davidsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11594451963540379003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5272938885495691863.post-68453514730431063172011-03-07T09:48:45.385-05:002011-03-07T09:48:45.385-05:00I understand, I think, your contention that the Yo...I understand, I think, your contention that the Young Eagles program is not as ineffective as it claims to be. What I don't understand is why this is of such great concern to you. There are lots of do-gooder programs out there that do some good but are not as effective as they could be. (Bake sales come to mine: If the people providing the cakes just donated the money it took to make them it would probably produce more revenue -- but, hey, people like to feel like they're doing something important even if it's not very effective.) So what? Unless you are in some way responsible or accountable for the program, why not just let them give their airplane rides and feel good about it? What business is it of yours? <br /><br />What's your proposal and how do you plan to carry it out, if at all?<br /><br />Respectfully.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com